with mutual friend of ours who is a retired new york city police officer. so, you know, he taught her how to shoot, she was very responsible with the gun. she was very responsible person in general. especially in terms of safety. >> and she took the boys to the shooting range. that's been talked about. she did take them to the shooting range. >> from what i understand, yes. >> and what did you want to say about that? >> again, i guess i want to just mimic russ as far as her safety. nancy wouldn't even answer a phone or a text or even look at her text in the car. if i got in her car, it was oops, seat belt, at the first ding. or before the ding happened. so she was just very careful and cautious and responsible. and in regard to, you know, leaving anything out, as far as a gun, just -- i can't believe that she would do that. >> sebastian, what do you think? tell us about your memory. >> my memories of her, she was a very dignified woman. she had a lot of class. very proper. had a great moral compass. we just saw her, what, three weeks ago, my place, and i left and didn't say bye and she se